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	<description>Layered Technologies, Inc. is a leading worldwide provider of "on-demand" IT infrastructure supporting critical customer applications.  Premiere provider of TRUE GRID COMPUTING.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Layered Tech Launches Microsoft Hyper-V by Live from the Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference - One Mans Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Live from the Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference - One Mans Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If there are any loyal readers out there attending the event feel free to hunt me down and chat. You&#8217;ll find me at the Microsoft Virtualization Solutions session from 4:30-5:30pm where I&#8217;ll be addressing the group in regards to Layered Tech&#8217;s recent announcement of being the first partner to roll out Hyper V. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Tips: Marketing in the Hosting World by Debbie Weil</title>
		<link>http://layeredtech.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/interview-marketing-in-the-hosting-world/#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Weil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thanks for including me in your roundup of resources. I love your phrasing about "conquering the 900-pound gorilla" -- social media is a fascinating phenomenon. The tools du jour change so quickly that it's easy to mistake the trees for the forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for including me in your roundup of resources. I love your phrasing about &#8220;conquering the 900-pound gorilla&#8221; &#8212; social media is a fascinating phenomenon. The tools du jour change so quickly that it&#8217;s easy to mistake the trees for the forest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is &#8220;The Grid&#8221;? by TechDep</title>
		<link>http://layeredtech.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/what-is-the-grid/#comment-3930</link>
		<dc:creator>TechDep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that either they used the term "snapshot" wrong or you got it wrong.
"Snapshot" is usually referred as "record a state of something" so that you'll be able to roll back to that state easily or even switch between several system or application states from the past, solving multiple issues that arise on unsuccessful upgrades and application updates.
File system snapshots are available with different OS's and file systems for now. AFAIK Linux has that on ext3, FreeBSD has it on UFS (takes tooo loong) and ZFS (almost instant), Solaris has it on ZFS.
For "deployment to 100 customers" it's better to use term "cloning", which is what lazy admins have invented years ago ;).
The idea of Grid is good, but "if your budget is over $1500" makes it wrong choice.
"Are you 100% comfortable in a dedicated Linux box? " and "no need for having admins" are controversial. It should not be a big difference in running 2 or 10 servers for a good admin.
What I personally expected from the Grid is real scalability. Let's say from $50/month or less to $5000 or more - so that a small project can easily afford a small part of that grid and have that part growing up with the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that either they used the term &#8220;snapshot&#8221; wrong or you got it wrong.<br />
&#8220;Snapshot&#8221; is usually referred as &#8220;record a state of something&#8221; so that you&#8217;ll be able to roll back to that state easily or even switch between several system or application states from the past, solving multiple issues that arise on unsuccessful upgrades and application updates.<br />
File system snapshots are available with different OS&#8217;s and file systems for now. AFAIK Linux has that on ext3, FreeBSD has it on UFS (takes tooo loong) and ZFS (almost instant), Solaris has it on ZFS.<br />
For &#8220;deployment to 100 customers&#8221; it&#8217;s better to use term &#8220;cloning&#8221;, which is what lazy admins have invented years ago ;).<br />
The idea of Grid is good, but &#8220;if your budget is over $1500&#8243; makes it wrong choice.<br />
&#8220;Are you 100% comfortable in a dedicated Linux box? &#8221; and &#8220;no need for having admins&#8221; are controversial. It should not be a big difference in running 2 or 10 servers for a good admin.<br />
What I personally expected from the Grid is real scalability. Let&#8217;s say from $50/month or less to $5000 or more - so that a small project can easily afford a small part of that grid and have that part growing up with the project.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dual Core vs. Dual Processor by TechDep</title>
		<link>http://layeredtech.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/dual-core-vs-dual-processor/#comment-3929</link>
		<dc:creator>TechDep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testing and promoting PentiumD 8xx in 2008 series should be considered a crime - it burns too much power and makes too much heat.
Like you don't have Core2-based CPU's there.
Eduardo Espinoza:
You must be comparing PentiumD with Pentium E-series (based on Core2 architecture), which are not that comparable: PentiumD had bigger L2 cache memory and tended to run at almost 2x greater speed (the lowest being 1.6GHz for PentiumE-2140  and 2.8GHZ for PentiumD-805). Just compare power rating of over 100Wt for PentiumD and under 65W for Core2-based chips under 2,66GHz. They are MUCH cooler or much more usable if overclocked and still cooler than PentiumD.
Add air conditioning costs, UPS/power generator costs, multiply by several thousands - and you'll see why those crappy old chips are getting sold for any money you agree to pat for them.

To approach the speed of 2.8GHz Pentium4 (PentiumD is dual core Pentium4) you should get around 1.86GHz of Core2-based CPU or over 2,0GHz of Athlon64-based CPU. That is Core2 Duo E6400 2,13GHz often outperforms AthlonX2-4400 and sometimes even X2-4600+ which run at ~2.2-2.3GHz. And that Core2 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz using intel stock cooler and modern Intel-P35 based motherboard and no overvoltage, giving you 6.4GHz of Core2-based power, comparable to some 10GHz of Pentium-4-based CPU's. Add $160 - and you have a beast with 8GB of DDR2-800 RAM (just never-ever overclock RAM unless you really know what you are doing), capable of running unimaginable before amount of tasks. Provided you have the right 64bit OS and a good BIOS version (the wrong will make you MAD because of strange issues you'll run into when you have over 3GB of ram). The "right" one for me is FreeBSD-8.0-current/amd64, typically running 4,000-5,000 processes (7.0-release has problems with schedulers for SMP, both of them; Linux has lots of schedulers but it's hard to decide which is good for your needs).
I never before ran over 600-800 on AMD Barton-3000 or Athlon-64-3000 with 1GB. So that is a great saving - like 5-6 servers were put into just one, saving lots of administration efforts, and needless to say that it uses a place of one and takes way less power. And it didn't cost an arm and a leg.

The only thing I don't like in Layeredtech is they don't really make a difference between "reliable high-end hardware, with ECC and so on" and consumer-grade hardware, that costs way less (unless it's scsi drives).
Years ago 1 gig of ram (DDR-333/DDR-400) costed $100. At LT it costed $25/month. Now 1Gig DDR2-800 costs $20, and still LT charges $25/month. I do understand if such sum is charged for fancy "FB-DIMM ECC", "anything else with ECC" as they cost just around that $100/1GB but fail to understand whythings that are cheaper don't get cheaper.
Another similiar problem is why dual core server with 2GB of ram and 4 drives costs exactly the price of 2 single-core servers with 1GB ram and 2 drives each.
Something MUST be changed in the heads of managers before it's too late.


Billy:
Modern dual(quad)-processor motherboards are supposed to host two(four) of dual or quad-core processors. But you should keep in mind that even high-end Intel chipsets don't provide enough memory bandwidth for that setups, making it a major bottleneck for 8 or 16-core servers. So it really depends on tasks that you are using the server for - if it's plain computing, like encryption or similiar that can run in parallel - you may get 16x speed increase with 16 cores, otherwise don't go over two or quad cores. With consumer-grade hardwareyou'll not go over 4 cores anyway ;).

In short Intel's Core2-based dual core CPU's are a win against dual-processor setups because of unified shared cache between both processors (so that even for single task you may get a benefit from that fact alone), it doesn't take that much overhead to switch process from one core to another (that's where dual processor setups are weak), they are more reliable by design - the motherboard is much less complicated
and there is no such thing as "inter-processor communication issues" that don't add anything good to reliability of the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testing and promoting PentiumD 8xx in 2008 series should be considered a crime - it burns too much power and makes too much heat.<br />
Like you don&#8217;t have Core2-based CPU&#8217;s there.<br />
Eduardo Espinoza:<br />
You must be comparing PentiumD with Pentium E-series (based on Core2 architecture), which are not that comparable: PentiumD had bigger L2 cache memory and tended to run at almost 2x greater speed (the lowest being 1.6GHz for PentiumE-2140  and 2.8GHZ for PentiumD-805). Just compare power rating of over 100Wt for PentiumD and under 65W for Core2-based chips under 2,66GHz. They are MUCH cooler or much more usable if overclocked and still cooler than PentiumD.<br />
Add air conditioning costs, UPS/power generator costs, multiply by several thousands - and you&#8217;ll see why those crappy old chips are getting sold for any money you agree to pat for them.</p>
<p>To approach the speed of 2.8GHz Pentium4 (PentiumD is dual core Pentium4) you should get around 1.86GHz of Core2-based CPU or over 2,0GHz of Athlon64-based CPU. That is Core2 Duo E6400 2,13GHz often outperforms AthlonX2-4400 and sometimes even X2-4600+ which run at ~2.2-2.3GHz. And that Core2 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz using intel stock cooler and modern Intel-P35 based motherboard and no overvoltage, giving you 6.4GHz of Core2-based power, comparable to some 10GHz of Pentium-4-based CPU&#8217;s. Add $160 - and you have a beast with 8GB of DDR2-800 RAM (just never-ever overclock RAM unless you really know what you are doing), capable of running unimaginable before amount of tasks. Provided you have the right 64bit OS and a good BIOS version (the wrong will make you MAD because of strange issues you&#8217;ll run into when you have over 3GB of ram). The &#8220;right&#8221; one for me is FreeBSD-8.0-current/amd64, typically running 4,000-5,000 processes (7.0-release has problems with schedulers for SMP, both of them; Linux has lots of schedulers but it&#8217;s hard to decide which is good for your needs).<br />
I never before ran over 600-800 on AMD Barton-3000 or Athlon-64-3000 with 1GB. So that is a great saving - like 5-6 servers were put into just one, saving lots of administration efforts, and needless to say that it uses a place of one and takes way less power. And it didn&#8217;t cost an arm and a leg.</p>
<p>The only thing I don&#8217;t like in Layeredtech is they don&#8217;t really make a difference between &#8220;reliable high-end hardware, with ECC and so on&#8221; and consumer-grade hardware, that costs way less (unless it&#8217;s scsi drives).<br />
Years ago 1 gig of ram (DDR-333/DDR-400) costed $100. At LT it costed $25/month. Now 1Gig DDR2-800 costs $20, and still LT charges $25/month. I do understand if such sum is charged for fancy &#8220;FB-DIMM ECC&#8221;, &#8220;anything else with ECC&#8221; as they cost just around that $100/1GB but fail to understand whythings that are cheaper don&#8217;t get cheaper.<br />
Another similiar problem is why dual core server with 2GB of ram and 4 drives costs exactly the price of 2 single-core servers with 1GB ram and 2 drives each.<br />
Something MUST be changed in the heads of managers before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Billy:<br />
Modern dual(quad)-processor motherboards are supposed to host two(four) of dual or quad-core processors. But you should keep in mind that even high-end Intel chipsets don&#8217;t provide enough memory bandwidth for that setups, making it a major bottleneck for 8 or 16-core servers. So it really depends on tasks that you are using the server for - if it&#8217;s plain computing, like encryption or similiar that can run in parallel - you may get 16x speed increase with 16 cores, otherwise don&#8217;t go over two or quad cores. With consumer-grade hardwareyou&#8217;ll not go over 4 cores anyway ;).</p>
<p>In short Intel&#8217;s Core2-based dual core CPU&#8217;s are a win against dual-processor setups because of unified shared cache between both processors (so that even for single task you may get a benefit from that fact alone), it doesn&#8217;t take that much overhead to switch process from one core to another (that&#8217;s where dual processor setups are weak), they are more reliable by design - the motherboard is much less complicated<br />
and there is no such thing as &#8220;inter-processor communication issues&#8221; that don&#8217;t add anything good to reliability of the product.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Layered Tech Secures $11 Million in Private Funding by Layered Technologies Secures $ 11 Million in Private Investment &#124; Virtualization.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layered Technologies Secures $ 11 Million in Private Investment &#124; Virtualization.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Dual Core vs. Dual Processor by Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how you explained the two for people. I think alot of people out there are confused by them and instead opt for dual processor, when a dual core would be more than sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how you explained the two for people. I think alot of people out there are confused by them and instead opt for dual processor, when a dual core would be more than sufficient.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dual Core vs. Dual Processor by Geoffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again its kind of a preference battle, but also depends on what tasks your performing.  Dual core and Dual proc each have the same potential its just a matter of how they are used.

If you need something for a single appliance to just pound for a while, then go with the dual core, if you need something to run multiple appliances over time, then go with a dual proc.

Make sure if you want to compare processors then be sure to compare all aspects.  3.0 to 3.0 for example.  You didn't specify the speed of the dual proc. 

Thank you for the insight.  Personal experience always helps in a discussion, and please keep the comments coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again its kind of a preference battle, but also depends on what tasks your performing.  Dual core and Dual proc each have the same potential its just a matter of how they are used.</p>
<p>If you need something for a single appliance to just pound for a while, then go with the dual core, if you need something to run multiple appliances over time, then go with a dual proc.</p>
<p>Make sure if you want to compare processors then be sure to compare all aspects.  3.0 to 3.0 for example.  You didn&#8217;t specify the speed of the dual proc. </p>
<p>Thank you for the insight.  Personal experience always helps in a discussion, and please keep the comments coming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dual Core vs. Dual Processor by Eduardo Espinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo Espinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I has a PentiumD 3.0 with 2Gb ram; 3 od my friends has Pentium Dual core with simillar amount of ram.
I noticed that my Pentium D is faster and has better performance if you compare with Dual Cores processors.

In my country Pentium D is cheaper than Pentium Dual core.
Also, Looks like Pentium D is not longer available.

In sumary, I have the impression that Pentium D is much better than Dual Cores.

Doing same activities, Pentium D always has better performance than those Dual Cores with 2Gb ram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I has a PentiumD 3.0 with 2Gb ram; 3 od my friends has Pentium Dual core with simillar amount of ram.<br />
I noticed that my Pentium D is faster and has better performance if you compare with Dual Cores processors.</p>
<p>In my country Pentium D is cheaper than Pentium Dual core.<br />
Also, Looks like Pentium D is not longer available.</p>
<p>In sumary, I have the impression that Pentium D is much better than Dual Cores.</p>
<p>Doing same activities, Pentium D always has better performance than those Dual Cores with 2Gb ram.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Go. Co-Lo. @ Web 2.0 by Bohol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bohol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first time to have heared the term Virtual Datacenter. I'm interested to explore more on this new technology.</description>
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		<dc:creator>My Web Hosting Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Microsoft Silverlight for Web Hosting Companies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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